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Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

Last post 11-17-2009 4:02 PM by Todd Allcock. 4 replies.
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  • 11-16-2009 12:09 PM

    Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

    The Windows Marketplace for Mobile is now available for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1! On your PC, go to http://windowsphone.com/getmarketplace to send the download link to your phone! Or, simply use your phone's browser to go to mp.windowsphone.com

    Outside the US, on your phone, visit mp.windowsphone.com

     

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  • 11-16-2009 12:49 PM In reply to

    Re: Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

    While I'm very happy to see this, this leads into one of my sore points about this platform I use and love, so if you'll forgive a bit of a rant... 

    Frankly, it's about time.  Seeing that others have "hacked" it onto WM6 and 6.1 devices within days of Marketplace going "live" tells us it wasn't a compatibility issue.  If not compatibility, then what?

    I understand the complex relationship between Microsoft and the OEMs makes it impossible for Microsoft to release "generic" OS updates for everyone, and because OEMs would much rather sell new devices to all of us than upgrade our old ones, getting OS updates on older hardware, even hardware fully capable of running the new OS won't be possible.  Even so, sometimes I feel like MS compounds the problem everytime a new OS is released by treating older device owners like second-class citizens.  Sure, I realize the new OS has some features not present in prior releases, but they often add insult to injury with their own applications, like Marketplace.

    Every now and then I pull out one of my old WM5, or even WM2003 devices and say to myself, "this isn't all that different from 6.x- why doesn't Live Mesh, or MyPhone, or Facebook, or whatever run on it?"  Is there really some magic in the WM6 SDK that prevents prior devices from utilizing what seem like fairly simple programs (from the device's end, I mean- I realize there's a lot going on "behind the curtain" with cloud services like Mesh or MyPhone)?  Heck, Bing Mobile even runs on WM2003 devices, and frankly that seems just as complex (actually more so) as any of MS' recent WM apps.  Or is it that adding compatibility for the last-gen OS just isn't worth the effort?

    While there probably aren't that many people still using older devices, the advantage of supporting prior generations of OS and hardware isn't just for those few people still clinging to them for whatever reason- it sends a message and reassures the potential buyer just coming to the platform "we won't forget you six months or a year from now."  I still find it impressive that my wife's creaky first-gen circa-2007 iPhone has been offered every single OS update just like the new models.  (Not all functionality is supported, of course, as the necessary hardware, e.g. GPS, compass, etc., may not be present.)  Can Microsoft, HTC, Samsung, or any other OEM say the same for any Windows phone released in 2007?

    IE Mobile 6, for example, was actually released to OEMs to include in late WM6.1 devices, but was never made available as a download for existing 6.1 users.  Sure, it was huge, and few devices had the free storage memory to utilize it perhaps, but what would've been the harm in offering it for the few that could have utilized it?  The gesture in and of itself would've been a powerful message about support and obsolecence.

    I'm certainly not laying all the blame here at Microsoft's feet- the bulk of the problem is with the OEMs, who have little financial incentive to support older models, but Microsoft certainly could help by insuring that their own applications support devices as old as is practical to.  I have a hard time believing that the Facebook app, for example, couldn't have been made WM5 with just a little effort.  Third-party developers are careful to offer as much backwards compatibility as possible to increase their potential market, why doesn't Microsoft follow that lead themselves to eliminate the doubt and uncertainty that buyers might have when comparing Windows phone to far more easily updated platforms like iPhone and Android?

     

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    Todd Allcock [MS MVP - Mobile Devices]

    Current Devices:
    AT&T Tilt (R.I.P. 2/12/10)
    T-Mobile MDA (T-Mobile USA)
    T-Mobile Dash (T-Mobile 2 Go Prepaid)
    Samsung SCH-i730 (Page Plus Cellular)
    Samsung SCH-i600 (Page Plus Cellular)
    Dell Axim X5
    Audiovox Maestro
    NEC MP780 HPC


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  • 11-16-2009 1:50 PM In reply to

    • j2inet
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    Re: Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

    Todd Allcock:
    Frankly, it's about time.  Seeing that others have "hacked" it onto WM6 and 6.1 devices within days of Marketplace going "live" tells us it wasn't a compatibility issue.  If not compatibility, then what?

    It wasn't even a hack.  I had put the same thing on my device and then it downloaded an updated version immediatly after install and then another update a few days ago.  I don't think there was anything special done for pre 6.5 devices.

     

    Todd Allcock:
    Every now and then I pull out one of my old WM5, or even WM2003 devices and say to myself, "this isn't all that different from 6.x- why doesn't Live Mesh, or MyPhone, or Facebook, or whatever run on it?"

    Unfortunatly a lot of the differences from one WM version to another may be totally invisible to the user.  For example, 2003SE had no support for Cameras. That wasn't introduced until WM5. But you can find 2003SE devices that had cameras. So from a user perspective the new support for cameras was almost invisible. However, the lack of support for cameras on 2003SE meant there was no standard way to access the camera on the devices that had them. So application developers couldn't take advantage of camerase on 2003SE devices and to users there was just some magical reason that an application that required a camera would work on WM5 but not on 2003SE.

    All that being said, I know the frustration of having a capable device that will never see a firmware update. Understanding the reason behind it actually causes more frustration. Though up until last year Windows Mobile was the only OS that was distributed in a model that seperates the OS writer from the hardware (well, Symbian may be like that but being in the USA I'm sure you can understand why I have zero experience with a Symbian phone).  Android is distributed under similar model.  Google distributes the OS and then OEMs customize it for their device. While the OS hasn't been around that long I think the first signs of this same pitfall that WM devices experience is becoming visible for Android devices.  One of the "Droid" devices (Droid Eris) is the same hardware as the HTC Hero from Sprint(with slightly different button arrangement). The Droid Eris runs Android 2.0 while Sprint's HTC Hero runs Android 1.6.  While HTC plans to make a CDMA version of the OS it is not yet known whether or not Sprint will certify it for their hardware. Sound familiar?

    I think that may just be the nature of that beast and I think the murmerings that I've read here and there about the hardware variations in future WM devices being fewer may be a sign of a solution; lower hardware variations could lead to lower effort to make updates available to all. Microsoft has done a good job of reasonably updating software for platforms with fewer hardware variations (Zune and Xboxes). If the WM devices become similar enough (or at least get a hardware abstraction layer like desktop PCs to abstract away the differences) then I'm sure we will see the situation change.

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  • 11-17-2009 12:08 PM In reply to

    • yrless
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    Re: Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

    Since there "seems" to be no compatibility issues I would say the "boys" in marketing had a lot to do with this...which I can understand. remember MS is all about the newest version. Then they will talk about backwards compatibility. Which is ok too....

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  • 11-17-2009 4:02 PM In reply to

    Re: Official! Download Windows Marketplace for Windows Mobile 6.0 and 6.1 NOW!

    yrless:

    Since there "seems" to be no compatibility issues I would say the "boys" in marketing had a lot to do with this...which I can understand. remember MS is all about the newest version. Then they will talk about backwards compatibility. Which is ok too....

    True, but being about the latest version is a better business if you actually sell the software! What if Windows Mobile had been designed to be more modular, like desktop Windows, so we could buy and install upgrades directly from MS, like we can with Vista, 7, etc.

    Who here wouldn't toss $10 or $20 (as much or more than OEMs pay for a WM license) to MS for each new version to stay up-to-date? Wouldn't that make much more sense than being at the mercy of device OEMs? And wouldn't it make the OEM's job much easier? Once they had the basic WM driver "skeleton" written for each phone's hardware, dropping the latest build of the OS on each phone would be a piece of cake.

    I realize this isn't possible the way WM is currently structured, but this should be the blueprint for the future- improved hardware should drive hardware sales, not dot-whatever incremental software upgrades! Take Apple, (please!) despite offering updates to all iPhone and iPod Touch owners, the faithful still stand in line for each new hardware model, to get a GPS, compass, more memory, better camera, etc.

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    Todd Allcock [MS MVP - Mobile Devices]

    Current Devices:
    AT&T Tilt (R.I.P. 2/12/10)
    T-Mobile MDA (T-Mobile USA)
    T-Mobile Dash (T-Mobile 2 Go Prepaid)
    Samsung SCH-i730 (Page Plus Cellular)
    Samsung SCH-i600 (Page Plus Cellular)
    Dell Axim X5
    Audiovox Maestro
    NEC MP780 HPC


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